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British anti-captivity blogger in love with all things whale and marine life, and loves to learn about them too. Blog focus's on Wild Whales, mostly Stumpy X163 and Orca in the North Atlanic.




capt-admin / posted on 18 September 2014

nahwitti:

stumpytheorca:

nahwitti:

stumpytheorca:

derangedhyena-delphinidae:

fightingforwhales:

Has anybody EVER been able to figure out why whales who were captured from the wild seem to have longer lifespans in captivity as opposed to ones who were born in captivity?

Like, I’m not talking about how no captive-born orcas making it to the average yet. Captive-bred orcas haven’t really been around long to do that. But, it just seems like when a captive-born does die, it’s always at a frighteningly young age. And then you have whales like Corky and Lolita who are still hanging on at 40+ years old.

Early development in animals is REALLY important and influential in a variety of ways.

Atop all the bizarre stresses of captivity which they just aren’t built for, I suspect there’s something missing (physiologically, psychologically) that ends up being a slow but inescapable detriment.

Me and darling-taima had a theory since in the wild orca drink their mothers milk until age 4 (they are weaned to solids at 1 to 2 but they do supplement their diet with milk till 4 as well- hence the large gap between calves) whereas captives are often separated before age 4 / parent dies / rejected and only given forumla for a year ect. 

my sources are a few papers and a national geographic book for kids actually but eerr posts about it with them are on 1 and 2

I think this whole theory is flawed right from the beginning. If I remember correctly in all of the other recent discussions it was agreed on (to say it in a friendly way) that Lolita and Corky (together with the handful of other older wild-caught orcas) RIGHT NOW (might change over the course of time) are still exceptions and not the rule. I don’t have time to do statistics but I just flipped through the data on orcahome and there are also many, many wild-caught whales that died really young. So I don’t think it’s possible to make a claim that captive-born orcas die younger than wild-caught ones.

fightingforwhales derangedhyena-delphinidae stumpytheorca

Not sure if your reffering to fightingforwhales original theory or the weaning theory above. I haven’t looked into it enough (including the wild caught orca under the age of 4 like i said in a reblog) That theory is not really to say that captive borns live shorter lives but to see if its a possible explanation for the large amount of deaths in captivity overall. (Since in seaworlds breeding program they only get forumula for one year ect and wild captures got none) Its a work in progress again like i said in a reblog theres not much available data on the causes of death in early wild caught orca (before sale) 

I was mostly referring to FFW’s original theory. But I’m also interested in your weaning theory. The sources you’ve mentioned in the linked saddle patch posts, do you only have them in printed form or are they also available online?

They are available online unfortunately the settings for that blog has the links the same colour as text- drives me bananas!
X 
(and theres this book page as well X )
then the other post more has sources pertaining to captivity’s weaning practise that I could find X

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capt-admin / posted on 18 September 2014

nahwitti:

stumpytheorca:

derangedhyena-delphinidae:

fightingforwhales:

Has anybody EVER been able to figure out why whales who were captured from the wild seem to have longer lifespans in captivity as opposed to ones who were born in captivity?

Like, I’m not talking about how no captive-born orcas making it to the average yet. Captive-bred orcas haven’t really been around long to do that. But, it just seems like when a captive-born does die, it’s always at a frighteningly young age. And then you have whales like Corky and Lolita who are still hanging on at 40+ years old.

Early development in animals is REALLY important and influential in a variety of ways.

Atop all the bizarre stresses of captivity which they just aren’t built for, I suspect there’s something missing (physiologically, psychologically) that ends up being a slow but inescapable detriment.

Me and darling-taima had a theory since in the wild orca drink their mothers milk until age 4 (they are weaned to solids at 1 to 2 but they do supplement their diet with milk till 4 as well- hence the large gap between calves) whereas captives are often separated before age 4 / parent dies / rejected and only given forumla for a year ect. 

my sources are a few papers and a national geographic book for kids actually but eerr posts about it with them are on 1 and 2

I think this whole theory is flawed right from the beginning. If I remember correctly in all of the other recent discussions it was agreed on (to say it in a friendly way) that Lolita and Corky (together with the handful of other older wild-caught orcas) RIGHT NOW (might change over the course of time) are still exceptions and not the rule. I don’t have time to do statistics but I just flipped through the data on orcahome and there are also many, many wild-caught whales that died really young. So I don’t think it’s possible to make a claim that captive-born orcas die younger than wild-caught ones.

fightingforwhales derangedhyena-delphinidae stumpytheorca

Not sure if your reffering to fightingforwhales original theory or the weaning theory above. I haven’t looked into it enough (including the wild caught orca under the age of 4 like i said in a reblog) That theory is not really to say that captive borns live shorter lives but to see if its a possible explanation for the large amount of deaths in captivity overall. (Since in seaworlds breeding program they only get forumula for one year ect and wild captures got none) Its a work in progress again like i said in a reblog theres not much available data on the causes of death in early wild caught orca (before sale) 

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TAGS: sorry if im not making sence xD first oppertunity ive had to put the theory out in discussion since the original posts got no reply

/ posted on 18 September 2014

http://stumpytheorca.tumblr.com/post/97801203743/derangedhyena-delphinidae-fightingforwhales

darling-taima:

derangedhyena-delphinidae:

fightingforwhales:

Has anybody EVER been able to figure out why whales who were captured from the wild seem to have longer lifespans in captivity as opposed to ones who were born in captivity?

Like, I’m not talking about how no captive-born orcas making it…

Also, without the mother’s milk, their immune systems are weakened as the milk contains nutrients and such to boost immune systems. This might explain why captive born orca (and especially hand reared calves) are more susceptible to infection and death via infection

Exactly, we haven’t properly looked into the list of the deceased in captivity to see if its a high amount dying via infection yet or a certain type of infection (I also wanted to factor in wild orca captured under the age of 3 to 4 as I think only one orca is left captured under that age alive(Kasatka)) Generally because its hard. Data from early captures (especially early captures where they died before sale) have no cause of death / same with captive borns where they died before a name.
Frustrating but still a working theory :3


TAGS: weaning theory

capt-admin / posted on 18 September 2014

derangedhyena-delphinidae:

fightingforwhales:

Has anybody EVER been able to figure out why whales who were captured from the wild seem to have longer lifespans in captivity as opposed to ones who were born in captivity?

Like, I’m not talking about how no captive-born orcas making it to the average yet. Captive-bred orcas haven’t really been around long to do that. But, it just seems like when a captive-born does die, it’s always at a frighteningly young age. And then you have whales like Corky and Lolita who are still hanging on at 40+ years old.

Early development in animals is REALLY important and influential in a variety of ways.

Atop all the bizarre stresses of captivity which they just aren’t built for, I suspect there’s something missing (physiologically, psychologically) that ends up being a slow but inescapable detriment.

Me and darling-taima had a theory since in the wild orca drink their mothers milk until age 4 (they are weaned to solids at 1 to 2 but they do supplement their diet with milk till 4 as well- hence the large gap between calves) whereas captives are often separated before age 4 / parent dies / rejected and only given forumla for a year ect. 

my sources are a few papers and a national geographic book for kids actually but eerr posts about it with them are on 1 and 2

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capt-admin / posted on 18 September 2014

bathe-the-whales:

tokitaee:

corkyii:

tokitaee:

derangedhyena-delphinidae:

So if Seaworld (or another park) would’ve taken Keiko in, instead of the whole sea-pen/release thing, and he’d died of pneumonia at a park…

Do you think anyone would still be talking about him?

Not a chance in hell.

"Keikos release was a failure because he died!!1!!1!1"
Lmao no
If there was one thing to take years off of his life it was captivity, and by that logic captivity is a MASSIVE failure because look how many animal have died captive.
He wasn’t immortal, his rehab put years in his life!

People forget that he was literally about to die in Mexico. And SeaWorld still wouldn’t take him.

SeaWorld refused to take him because they were convinced that his Papilloma virus was highly contagious, even though Keiko’s veterinarians insisted that it wasn’t.

Hehe I actually made a post earlier today of all seaworlds quotes relating to keiko X  they basically didn’t want him (and made lots of varying excuses) because it would have been bad PR for them if he died.
my personal favorite is still this one once they had a release plan:

“I don’t think it’s fair and humane to the animal to try this operation just to make a few people happy,” says Brad Andrews of Sea World.

Really there Mr.Sea world….your taking that road.

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capt-admin via earthsoldiers / posted on 18 September 2014 tokitaee:

happy-pigeons:

earthsoldiers:

The dolphin pod is now in the cove. It’s over.
Taiji, Japan. The slaughter begins.
I’m so sorry. I’m so sorry.

While dolphin “activist” organizations in the United States attempt to slander SeaWorld and free captive born cetaceans, Taiji, Japan is killing dolphins for pest control……….
While dolphin “activist” organizations in the United States who masturbate to Blackfish are making up statements that SeaWorld still captures, Russia is currently capturing a half a dozen orcas………
While dolphin “activist” organizations in the United States accuse SeaWorld of doing nothing for wild animals, dolphin “activists” continue to do nothing for wild orcas off the coast of Washington that are slowly being wiped out by PCB pollution, overfishing, interfering boat traffic, Navy sonar, etc……….

Did you know that SeaWorld routinely does business with parks who are directly connected to the Taiji dolphin drives? Did you know that Kirara, the Pacific White Sided dolphin SeaWorld has acquired, was born to parents who were captured in the same brutal way? Did you know that SeaWorld is actually going to co-develop parks in Asia, the Middle-East, and Russia? That’s right, Russia! SeaWorld themselves are going to have their hands all over those Russian wild-caught orcas, at the very least they will be using their sperm.Did you know that one of the main reasons the Southern Residents are endangered is because SeaWorld wiped out almost an entire generation of them by dropping bombs on them and then snatching up whoever was left alive, and they have never fully recovered from it?Because I have a feeling if you knew any of that, you wouldn’t have made such an ignorant post. Want to try again?

Love also here the american “activist” (cant forget my speechmarks!) ric o’ barrys dolphin project is literally the logo on this picture… as they are the ones out there right now in japan… actually trying to do something to stop the slaughter……. (can’t forget my excessive dots either) where are seaworld?but no the “activists” also have other interests so that instantly means they are ignoring all other issues pertaining to the animals they advocate for.

tokitaee:

happy-pigeons:

earthsoldiers:

The dolphin pod is now in the cove. It’s over.

Taiji, Japan. The slaughter begins.

I’m so sorry. I’m so sorry.

While dolphin “activist” organizations in the United States attempt to slander SeaWorld and free captive born cetaceans, Taiji, Japan is killing dolphins for pest control……….

While dolphin “activist” organizations in the United States who masturbate to Blackfish are making up statements that SeaWorld still captures, Russia is currently capturing a half a dozen orcas………

While dolphin “activist” organizations in the United States accuse SeaWorld of doing nothing for wild animals, dolphin “activists” continue to do nothing for wild orcas off the coast of Washington that are slowly being wiped out by PCB pollution, overfishing, interfering boat traffic, Navy sonar, etc……….

Did you know that SeaWorld routinely does business with parks who are directly connected to the Taiji dolphin drives? Did you know that Kirara, the Pacific White Sided dolphin SeaWorld has acquired, was born to parents who were captured in the same brutal way?

Did you know that SeaWorld is actually going to co-develop parks in Asia, the Middle-East, and Russia? That’s right, Russia! SeaWorld themselves are going to have their hands all over those Russian wild-caught orcas, at the very least they will be using their sperm.

Did you know that one of the main reasons the Southern Residents are endangered is because SeaWorld wiped out almost an entire generation of them by dropping bombs on them and then snatching up whoever was left alive, and they have never fully recovered from it?

Because I have a feeling if you knew any of that, you wouldn’t have made such an ignorant post. Want to try again?

Love also here the american “activist” (cant forget my speechmarks!) ric o’ barrys dolphin project is literally the logo on this picture… as they are the ones out there right now in japan… actually trying to do something to stop the slaughter……. (can’t forget my excessive dots either) where are seaworld?

but no the “activists” also have other interests so that instantly means they are ignoring all other issues pertaining to the animals they advocate for.

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TAGS: did i miss something? speechmarks man gets me everytime

capt-admin via mojavedolphins / posted on 17 September 2014

mojavedolphins:

Catch us LIVE on Fins and Fluke Radio 9/18!
Our lovely friends at Fins and Fluke have invited us to be a part of their environmental radio program, …

mojavedolphins:

Catch us LIVE on Fins and Fluke Radio 9/18!

Our lovely friends at Fins and Fluke have invited us to be a part of their environmental radio program, …

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capt-admin via whimsical-tail-flukes / posted on 17 September 2014 derangedhyena-delphinidae:

whimsical-tail-flukes:

Credit to whoever made this (was it someone here?)
I love it. 

I approve mightily.

It took me a minute but i love it

derangedhyena-delphinidae:

whimsical-tail-flukes:

Credit to whoever made this (was it someone here?)

I love it. 

I approve mightily.

It took me a minute but i love it

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